Comments on: Jajah Goes Mobile http://www.saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=jajah-goes-mobile An outcome-driven leader, proven technology product developer, and marketer with over 20 years of hands-on experience including start-up, small and large business environments, and the board room. This is my blog. Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:15:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Friday Update II - Struggling to Break the Mobile Oligopoly : voiceontheweb.biz http://www.saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/#comment-3512 Friday Update II - Struggling to Break the Mobile Oligopoly : voiceontheweb.biz Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:01:24 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/#comment-3512 [...] while the bridge is established. Almost simple but not all the way there. Alec Saunders provides a more detailed discussion; Russell Shaw has nine reasons why it is not a threat to neither mobile carriers nor VoIP service [...] [...] while the bridge is established. Almost simple but not all the way there. Alec Saunders provides a more detailed discussion; Russell Shaw has nine reasons why it is not a threat to neither mobile carriers nor VoIP service [...]

]]> By: Ono http://www.saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/#comment-3511 Ono Sat, 06 Jan 2007 17:20:29 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/#comment-3511 hi - i am really new in the VOIP market and i have few basic questions regarding this AMAZING article. i will be delighted if someone could answer those questions: - how does the Telco market works? what does it mean to pay only for Termination? can i assume that the local telco provider charge only for termination? isnt it that in the USA, local calls are free? so if you have 2 servers ,lets say in SanDiego and NEW York, and you called to a local Number in NYC, and the server takes care through VOIP to deliver the call between NYC-SAnDiego, and then delivery the call to a local number in Sandiego... shouldnt is be free? what do i miss here? hi – i am really new in the VOIP market and i have few basic questions regarding this AMAZING article.
i will be delighted if someone could answer those questions:
- how does the Telco market works? what does it mean to pay only for Termination? can i assume that the local telco provider charge only for termination? isnt it that in the USA, local calls are free? so if you have 2 servers ,lets say in SanDiego and NEW York, and you called to a local Number in NYC, and the server takes care through VOIP to deliver the call between NYC-SAnDiego, and then delivery the call to a local number in Sandiego… shouldnt is be free? what do i miss here?

]]> By: Skype: $30/year, all you can eat long distance -- Alec Saunders .LOG http://www.saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/#comment-3510 Skype: $30/year, all you can eat long distance -- Alec Saunders .LOG Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:53:25 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/#comment-3510 [...] Some reports peg Skype users at 35.8% of all North American VoIP callers.  Last week, it was widely reported that TeleGeography estimated 8.2 million VoIP subscribers in North America, which would put Skype usage at about 3 million (give or take a few).  How many of those users would pay?  It may be more than you might think.  In September, Jajah CEO Roman Scharf told me that over 70% of his callers call non-Jajah users and thus pay for terminations, despite the fact that calls between Jajah users are free.  If Skype could hit the same kind of home run with this offer, it would bump their revenues up by about 20% from where they are now. [...] [...] Some reports peg Skype users at 35.8% of all North American VoIP callers.  Last week, it was widely reported that TeleGeography estimated 8.2 million VoIP subscribers in North America, which would put Skype usage at about 3 million (give or take a few).  How many of those users would pay?  It may be more than you might think.  In September, Jajah CEO Roman Scharf told me that over 70% of his callers call non-Jajah users and thus pay for terminations, despite the fact that calls between Jajah users are free.  If Skype could hit the same kind of home run with this offer, it would bump their revenues up by about 20% from where they are now. [...]

]]> By: Alec http://www.saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/#comment-3509 Alec Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:21:31 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/#comment-3509 Alotta -- what they're saying is that they can't guarantee what any other carrier is going to do with your calls. My take? The risk is no different than the risk with a landline. Alotta — what they're saying is that they can't guarantee what any other carrier is going to do with your calls. My take? The risk is no different than the risk with a landline.

]]> By: alotta k http://www.saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/#comment-3508 alotta k Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:14:32 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/#comment-3508 I would very much like to start using Jajah exclusively for long distance call but I became nervous when I read their privacy policy and specifically: "Among the services JAJAH offers, Users may initiate phone calls between them which are partly or fully handled via JAJAH telecom partners. Therfore any information which You may post during such phone call, including any personal information shall not be deemed private. JAJAH cannot guarantee the security of such information, that you disclose or communicate in such phone call and you do so at your own risk. ". I wonder, is the risk in using Jajah the same as using a landline? Is webcalldirect any different/safer? I should also add that when I asked Jajah's tech support (via email) to answer my simple question, the result was (as expected) very unsatisfying! In fact they referred me right back to the clause in the privacy policy that I asked about. I would very much like to start using Jajah exclusively for long distance call but I became nervous when I read their privacy policy and specifically: "Among the services JAJAH offers, Users may initiate phone calls between them which are partly or fully handled via JAJAH telecom partners. Therfore any information which You may post during such phone call, including any personal information shall not be deemed private. JAJAH cannot guarantee the security of such information, that you disclose or communicate in such phone call and you do so at your own risk. ".

I wonder, is the risk in using Jajah the same as using a landline? Is webcalldirect any different/safer?

I should also add that when I asked Jajah's tech support (via email) to answer my simple question, the result was (as expected) very unsatisfying! In fact they referred me right back to the clause in the privacy policy that I asked about.

]]> By: Alec http://www.saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/#comment-3507 Alec Thu, 05 Oct 2006 10:43:35 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/#comment-3507 Thanks for the correction. That's useful to know. Thanks for the correction. That’s useful to know.

]]> By: A reader http://www.saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/#comment-3506 A reader Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:16:34 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/#comment-3506 You wrote that scheduled calls & conference calls cost something. Conference calls do have a charge, but scheduled calls do not - they cost the same as regular calls. (i.e. either free, or 2.5 cents per minute for calls to North America & most European countries). This is important because people who do not have a separate phone line from their computer connection can use the scheduled call feature to set up a call to take place 2 minutes later, then disconnect, in order to receive the call. (I say receive because a Jajah call works by Jajah calling you - your phone rings) You wrote that scheduled calls & conference calls cost something. Conference calls do have a charge, but scheduled calls do not – they cost the same as regular calls. (i.e. either free, or 2.5 cents per minute for calls to North America & most European countries). This is important because people who do not have a separate phone line from their computer connection can use the scheduled call feature to set up a call to take place 2 minutes later, then disconnect, in order to receive the call. (I say receive because a Jajah call works by Jajah calling you – your phone rings)

]]> By: Alec http://www.saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/#comment-3505 Alec Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:45:20 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/#comment-3505 You're welcome! You’re welcome!

]]> By: Frederik http://www.saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/#comment-3503 Frederik Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:16:25 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/#comment-3503 Hey Mark, JAJAH allows you to place free or close to free international and long distance calls using your regular phone (landline or mobile). You simply provide your own number and the number you want to call to our system and both (or even more with the conference call solution) call participants receive a local call from our nearest by termination point. Everything in between is handled via an encrypted connection via the Internet. As you were providing this information (the two numbers) via our website www.jajah.com before you are now able to place the same free or cheap JAJAH call directly from your cell phone, so we even took the browser out of the JAJAH equation. This works via a tiny plugin which you can download from our webpage (http://www.jajah.com/info/tools/mobile/) to your existing cell phone. It now provides the number you want to call to our system either via a short data connection or via text message seamlessly. By default your national calls are not getting touched but you are able to place all your so far very expensive calls via JAJAH now. In contrast to Europe or other places in the world you have to pay for incoming calls in the US, so you are right it's not "completely free" because it touches your US minutes plan but you are just receiving a local call which simply applies to the plan you have while placing a "free" international to Europe, Asia or wherever in the world. Isn't this nice :-) So we take away the international or long distance charges to knock down your phone bill dramatically. I hope I could answer your question. Best regards, Frederik Hey Mark,

JAJAH allows you to place free or close to free international and long distance calls using your regular phone (landline or mobile). You simply provide your own number and the number you want to call to our system and both (or even more with the conference call solution) call participants receive a local call from our nearest by termination point. Everything in between is handled via an encrypted connection via the Internet.

As you were providing this information (the two numbers) via our website http://www.jajah.com before you are now able to place the same free or cheap JAJAH call directly from your cell phone, so we even took the browser out of the JAJAH equation.

This works via a tiny plugin which you can download from our webpage (http://www.jajah.com/info/tools/mobile/) to your existing cell phone. It now provides the number you want to call to our system either via a short data connection or via text message seamlessly. By default your national calls are not getting touched but you are able to place all your so far very expensive calls via JAJAH now.

In contrast to Europe or other places in the world you have to pay for incoming calls in the US, so you are right it’s not “completely free” because it touches your US minutes plan but you are just receiving a local call which simply applies to the plan you have while placing a “free” international to Europe, Asia or wherever in the world. Isn’t this nice :-)

So we take away the international or long distance charges to knock down your phone bill dramatically.

I hope I could answer your question.

Best regards, Frederik

]]> By: Mark http://www.saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/#comment-3502 Mark Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:01:14 +0000 http://saunderslog.com/2006/09/27/jajah-goes-mobile/#comment-3502 I find the jajah mobile aspect most interesting. But I'm not clear on how it actually works. No mobile call that I'm familiar with is "free" yet. You still spend metered minutes. But I can imagine that if some mobile calls are more expensive that others (domestic vs. international, for example), then jajah routing can affect savings by terminating to a relatively inexpensive domestic number, hauling the overseas traffic via IP, then terminating the call locally. I'm further assuming jajah mobile's Java ME client acquires routing information over an IP data path (MIDP 2.0 devices have full IP stacks) vs. caching static routing information, then terminates the call to the "best" local number on your behalf by programmatically dialing (http://www.petrovic.org/blog/2006/04/26/dialing-midp20-phones-programmatically/). Can someone verify that this scenario is even close? I find the jajah mobile aspect most interesting. But I’m not clear on how it actually works. No mobile call that I’m familiar with is “free” yet. You still spend metered minutes. But I can imagine that if some mobile calls are more expensive that others (domestic vs. international, for example), then jajah routing can affect savings by terminating to a relatively inexpensive domestic number, hauling the overseas traffic via IP, then terminating the call locally.

I’m further assuming jajah mobile’s Java ME client acquires routing information over an IP data path (MIDP 2.0 devices have full IP stacks) vs. caching static routing information, then terminates the call to the “best” local number on your behalf by programmatically dialing (http://www.petrovic.org/blog/2006/04/26/dialing-midp20-phones-programmatically/).

Can someone verify that this scenario is even close?

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